Justice: A Joint Effort, Sort Of
July 17th, 2017
AND IT CAME TO PASS that fully paid-up member of women Maid of Nails, deep Dundonian Botswana Beast and comics artist/aesthetic superstar Dan McDaid had many thoughts regarding the Justice League.
The BS nature of “good immigrants vs. bad immigrants” stories, the mind of Morrison, the paranoia that comes with mortality – all is laid bare in this exclusive audio recording from one of the many times they got absolutely fuckin’ tanked.
Is it, as Dan said, “the worst podcast ever”? I mean, probably. But there’s only one way to find out….
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7Wd3DomYYztOEVOOC0yeF91WU0/view?usp=sharing
The bunny/duck optical illusion of our times
I show my friends I care by obsessively tracking every detail of their lives
The smell* of urban magic permeates the air
*it smells like Silk Cut and wine voms
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July 18th, 2017 at 5:24 pm
This was very enjoyable. Lots of things I agree with, which is always good, but the podcast was a frustrater for the following reason:
near the end, Kelly very enthusiastically announces she has something to say that she hasn’t told you, but then the thought is never finished! “I didn’t tell you, oh my god, here’s my thing…”
WHAT WAS IT?
PS the best Justice League member is Congorilla/Congo Bill*
*actually no, no, he is the worst. What the shit was James Robinson thinking bringing that monster back
July 18th, 2017 at 8:34 pm
Great podcast, and not a catastrophe at all despite the opening warning!
Kelly – Your thoughts on Batman and the Martian Manhunter are beautiful and provide new ways for me to consider these Morrison comics/the JLA/whatever Batman’s up to this week, so thanks for that you absolute star you!
I’m totally into the idea of J’onn as the connective tissue of the group, the thing that makes their unification into an ideal beyong their own subjective mission possible. As I was burbling over in the SILENCE! comments the other day, I love the way the Morrison Justice League layers different realities and spaces on top of each other, always making it clear that the rules of one place don’t necessarily carry over into another.
Earth 2 is the culmination of this (and of the mirror image Justice Leagues motif, as Duncan notes), the point where its implications become most acute, but it’s a running theme throughout and I think it plays nicely into your point about the differing missions of the various Leaguers.
Like Paul, I would desperately like to know your thing, though I’m sure we all understand if that particular idea has been stolen by a gnarly supervillain team-up between Chronos and Bacchus.
Dan – I love that you rep for Howard Porter here because I know he gets a hard ride somtimes (lucky lad), and sure, there are points where I might wonder why the Green Lantern is squatting on the table like a demented Shaky Kane crab monster, but on the whole it’s just page after page of colour and energy and form.
Your focus on his ability to design is on point. Porter’s art doesn’t suggest a “real” 3D space like Frank Quitely’s does, but his character designs and environments are still vivid to me. I can see that torture device you talk about without looking, I know what the world looks like when Darkseid IS, Electric Blue Superman is my jam and I could tell that the Bee queen spaceship was like something out of 2001 before I was told it in the comic itself.
Who could have drawn this comic better?
Well you know I’d tickle Trump’s balls myself if I thought it would help to get you a gig on a New Gods comics at DC, but for that particular JLA run, Porter is the absolute boy.
Duncan – As the chief scoffer at the superheroes as modern mythology line at the pre-podcast hook up you mention, I feel like I should step in here on this point, but you’ve sort of got to the route of my objections yourself during the ensuing struggle.
It’s not that I don’t think superhero fiction can take on a mythic function…. with the proviso that like all modern attempts at mythology (Moorcock, Carter, Ballard, you know the dril) it has its own plasticity, its inorganic nature built in…. It’s just that I don’t think this is always what’s happening in superhero fiction, and that sometimes the “modern myth” guff is used to hide a worse smell: the smell of desperate, self-justifying bullshit.
I reckon our old friend David Fiore was maybe onto something when he talked about the Marvel heroes as being characters fit for American Romantic fiction – there’s a degree of specificity, an attention to the daily churn in there that seems to me to dilute the mythic capacity of most of these heroes, even if it doesn’t quite drag Spider-Man and friends all the way into George Eliot country.
Always been partial to a baroque scheme – mebbe you can relate? – so of course I enjoy thinking about Northrop Frye’s attempt to map the different of levels of fiction from the mythic through the realistic to the ironic and back round again in his Anatomy of Criticism.
But… uh, like I said, you kind of already hinted at that in your comment about Marvel comics didn’t you? Everything I’ve added since may be dismissed as a desperate attempt at self-justification.
SELF-JUSTICEFICTION ENDS
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