In which I throw up some random, barely organised/edited thoughts about a couple of comics


So Grant Morrison has found a way to facilitate one of those scene shifts that’ve been such a central component of Batman’s history…. We began with a modern take on sixties, sci-fi, supernatural bats, with the odd nod to Gotham-funhouse bats along the way, and now we’ve arrived at his retake on those seventies/early eighties globetrotting stories. And it makes all the sense in the world, the supernatural elements having actually begun to feel, by becoming literally so in plot terms, like a millstone around the character’s neck, generating in the reader a real desire for something new. This wrapping up also sees the end of the road, at least for now, of Morrison’s heavily psychologised Batman, with the writer’s penchant for collapsing the boundary of interiority and exteriority, something I’d argue the character has always encouraged, playing beautifully into the aforementioned framework for the last five years, but reaching its natural conclusion in ROBW six and a Bruce Wayne worn ragged by the rigours of bat-mystery finally finding peace in the arms of his bestest superfriends.

And don’t you just love how Morrison work seems implicit with the suggestion that these transformations are only possible because we’re dealing with Batman? That they’re rationalised by the idea of the survivor, an articulation of the ‘optimum man’ conceit? Batman doesn’t simply escape death-traps, he escapes whole modes of being. The Omega Adapter never stood a chance. Batman’s the Alpha Adapter. No other superhero, or villain, can perform this trick.

Regardless, anyone who’s been following Grant’s run will really feel everything lift with these two issues, and, no matter how much they enjoyed what’s come before, breathe a sigh of relief.



This is genuinely new, isn’t it, the backstory of the DKR bat? This guy was the one ostensibly supernatural component you could point to in a story as obsessed with street level superheroics as its possible to get while still incorporating Superman and bat power suits and its inclusion here is telling to say the least. Actually, thinking about it, last time we saw the bat from the origin myth it was as an avatar as Darkseid, and that’s as supernatural as anything’s ever likely to get. So, yeah, It could easily be described as the last vestige of supernaturalism to be carried over into this bold new bat-era. But that’s just it.

Here it’s not.

The National Geographic tone of the first page’s captions (esp the talk of these bats being as conventional as any other) combined with Grant’s providing this mysterious, unholy terror with an actual personality and character arc, far from encouraging a supernatural vibe, only serves to earth this comic – in fact the bat’s literally earthed within the first four panels. This is obviously a statement of intent for the Batman Inc phase: here everything will be figured to a very concrete ground. We’ve left Hurt, Darkseid and the rest of that weird stuff behind – now it’s time for jet-suits.

This is not to say that symbolism and metaphor are off the menu permanently – this issue contains both, and, indeed, some real depth, especially this first sequence, as we shall see – just that the story’s no longer drenched in these things. The reader won’t need to employ a mastery of bat-occultism in order to understand what’s going on, as was the case with ROBW6, for example. For instance….

Without even reading the script it’s obvious the Old Bastard Bat (best. name. evaaaah! Make it possessive and it’s obviously referring to Miller: ‘The Old Bastard’s Bat.’) and his bloodyminded sense of self preservation is supposed to find its correlate in Bruce, and that when the bat dies its soul effectively leaps into his (‘I shall become a bat.’), the two being effectively one anyway. You don’t have to get that to understand what’s going on here at all. At all. It’s just the cherry on the cake.

You also don’t have to understand that Morrison’s following through on Batman’s promise to turn Evil’s challenge upside down by inverting the tonality of the scene as it was portrayed in ROBW6. There the Bat was an agent of darkness waiting for Bruce to die in order to claim his soul, but here, its wings outstretched atop Thomas Wayne’s bleeding bust (Zom: the bloodied bat on the bloodied bust work to conflate the man and the bat), it’s a screeching symbol of victory, representing the moment Bruce Wayne’s life explodes with direction and meaning. Again, you don’t have to understand this stuff or understand why the bell glows – you’ll probably feel it anyway.

Speaking of these inversions, it’s awesome that the house is basically ‘a warm [bat] heaven of divine proporation’ (but are we talking about the mansion or Bruce Wayne’s body? – it flies in through the window and then in through his eye…) ? From the Old Bastard’s point of view there’s nothing dark or grim here at all, there’s just a golden, perfect cave and a good death.

This is the origin of Batman as stirring myth, not gloomy curse and it feeds into the second and perhaps most important theme running throughout this book and issue one of Inc, because we’re not just dealing with a Batman who’s come down to earth, but a Batman brimming with HEALTH. Here Batman is brimming with vitality and a newly positive relationship with his own and the broader batbody and the tone of the new series likewise. We’ll get onto more of this later.

One final gander: If a straight line can be drawn between Bruce and the bat,  then all this talk about how conventional it is, is true of Bruce also, both of them only achieving the status of myth upon encountering each other. Prior to this the bat has always inhabited these climes, and this opener  is a fun study of its (and any everyday object’s really) transition from the mundane to the immortal. All anything needs to acquire numinosity is a sharp injection of meaning, just being there at the right place and at the right time….


Amy: Given that Dubai is a sunny, gleaming city over the other side of the world from and the opposite of Gotham, no, it’s fair to say that prior to the events of the last few months, we did not.

Growing up with a big Death in the Family sized dent in my head means that Batman in the middle east has always resonated powerfully with me (and likely with Grant also (?)), and this fact combined with the one above really sells me on the middle east as a perfect starting point for Batman’s globe trotting adventures. That is to say, the abrupt scene shift underlines the massive tonal about-turn the bat-books are undergoing – it’s a statement of intent, really – while at the same time hearkening back to a reassuring, though new and improved, iconography with which long term bat-fans will be familiar.

And where else could this sequence take place than the Burj Dubai, the world’s first mega-scraper? If this monster of glass, steel, money and human ingenuity can be completely pwned by the bat, then, well, that says it all doesn’t it? He owns this planet, Planet Gotham.

One final thing, and I don’t know if it’s intentional, is the way Dubai, a city synonmous with commerce if ever there was one, foregrounds the whole businessman thing, a key element of this new story. I don’t know, it just feels thematically and tonally appropriate.

Zom: the Middle East also resonates because of the confused strain of orientalism that feeds into Batman’s international adventures in the form of Ra’s al Ghul. On an unrelated note, I think the scene shift works as a statement of intent for all the reaons Amy’s listed but primarily because of the newness: new costume, new and improved Batman, new location, new criminals, new operating methods, and brute fact that we associate globalness with all things modern.



The fantastic job David Finch has done here really only serves to work against sales for his book. By this point I challenge anyone who could be convinced by Batman Inc not to be. Anyone who likes Nolan’s take has got to love this (and that’s why the inclusion of the Tumbler, the tech, David Finch generally and the dialogue almost directly lifted from the recent films – to provide the skeptical reader with an easy way in, to remind him or her that they know this Batman already). This is fucking Nolan PLUS. The Batman of the films ten years older, wiser, tougher and all round sorted. Batman Inc is the logical conclusion of R&D Batman and this time, because it’s just drawings on a page, with an unlimited budget. With each new ‘And I want this… And this…’ from Bruce, I’m swept away with excitement, because Morrison’s imagination has really become the upper limit to what’s possible for Bruce Wayne and this book now, so there’s no upper limit at all really. God, it’s so exciting to see a Bruce Wayne this focused and in control. It feels like decades’ worth of seething internalised energy is finally being released, like he’s a bloody sun or something. Superman of Bats.

This guy really is much, much cooler than James Bond.

And you know why in the end everyone’s going to love this new take?  Not because it barrels ahead at breakneck speed without even a glimpse behind, absolutely self assured and insistent on its own rightness, not because of the amazing art which totally sells you on the new blueprint for this better batmobile, not even because everything’s shining with so much possibility and potential, but because this book has tatooed on its heart the idea of Batman fucking winning. This is what non stop Batman winning looks like, and that’s in the end is why we all love the character. Kill his Mom and Dad, kill him, kill his soul… Whatever, punk! Here’s MONEY UNLEASHED!

Batman. Fucking. Winning.



Amy: This is clearly an online VR space similar to the ‘Toytown’ I posited in my Batman 666 scripts, hence  the avatar, the vehicles and the cheat codes. Hopefully it’ll allow for a riffing on the pop crime, giant typewriter-gotham of ye olde. Clever, too, because it effectvely provides Oracle with a country all of her own to defend: cyberspace.



Anyway, why has no one commented on the fantasticness of Bruce and Damian robo-fighting yet?  I mean, it’s brilliant, Bruce kicks the living shit out of his ‘son’. There’s no leeway, no quarter, no provision made for the fact that Damian’s just a kid, he’s expected to perform at the top of his game and if he can’t, well…. This is just good character stuff, as well as a way of underlining how bad ass and ultra modern this Bruce is (even the tech-savvy new generation don’t have a patch on him!) and very funny to boot. Blackly funny. Just as Bruce should be. Fuck, he punches the little guy’s head off, for god’s sake!

But moving on (as Bruce always is now)…

‘What else have you got for me?’


‘What else can I mutherin well WIN at!’


Batman Incorporated absolutely underlines the fact that, even if he didn’t consciously articulate it to himself, Bruce has always understood the power of branding. A businessman would. The bat-hubcaps and the rest have always made sense in the bat-universe.



This one GUY. On paper the Heretic just doesn’t work, does he? If someone had told me, ‘Yeah, the big bad of this season’s a cross between a bedouin, the King of All Tears, Batman and A CYLON!’ I’d've…well, I’d probably think he sounded well cool, but I’m sure many wouldn’t. But they would be wrong. The only part of him I resist, to be honest, is the Batman bit, because prismatism prismatism shmism, however, given that this is obviously a clue to his identity of some kind, and that he looks so cool, I’m not going to go on about it. So the good money’s on Damian’s clone right now, is it? It certainly makes sense of some of his dialogue, all that YOU will know ME.’ stuff, however I think the real clue is his other name: Fatherless. He’s Damian Wayne with the Bruce bit taken out – the soul.

I’ll tell you who else he reminds me of, in fact what this whole scene reminds me of, the set up with all the designer superhumans and the cracked glass canopy covering it, The World from New X Men… and Weapon 15. And this is the thing getting in the way of the clone theory, that the Heretic was born here, inside the belly of that weird….leviathan. Whatever, it’ll all come clear in the end – maybe the clone was just incubated in there.



Which leads me to another thing I wanted to say….

Catwoman in this sexy scene is basically purring around like a cat on heat. I guarantee that shit was in the script – solid gold guarantee – so this is all a character moment as much as anything else. I solid gold guarantee this partly because this is Morrison and I can read his motherfuckin mind (no, honest – he said I could! Really) and because it’s perfectly in keeping with the way Selina’s played this issue, mewling and haunching (I made verb up, but don’t tell me it doesn’t work!) around, constantly referencing her own anthropomorphised cattiness. This Catwoman is an updated Catwoman from the sixties TV series  and the way she carries that over, the sense of fun she brings with her, is exactly the right tone for this comic – again with the light and healthy. The Batman of RIP and all the rest couldn’t of spent more than five minutes in this woman’s company, but this new Batman can. In fact I think she’s pretty much pitch perfect for the first issue of Inc.

Saying that, I do appreciate that this Selina, just like this Batman, might jar with some reader’s expectations for the character, but I think you can easily rationalise this if you need to: she’s being playful, flirting. This what she gets like when Bruce is around. I, however, don’t need to explain away this behaviour because I’m not sure Catwoman should’ve ever diverged too much from her campy template. I like the idea that during the pop-crime years certain villains learnt the pleasures not just of crime, but of performance. This is deep superhero psychology, sophisticated stuff I think modern writers could have enormous fun with. When Selina Kyle dons that outfit she’s not just a thief, just as Bruce Wayne isn’t just a superhero, she’s CATWOMAN, and part of her armour is the inhabiting of her catty role. It could work as a defense mechanism, as ‘make up’, drag, just as pure theatre, and it certainly provides her with the kind of opacity a master thief would enjoy and makes absolute sense of all her costume changes. People can’t second guess you when they don’t know who you really are. Selina street crusader is all very well – I enjoyed the Brubaker books as much as anyone – but I could really dig this take also. No one blinks when Bruce Wayne turns into TEH NIGHT!, so why should they begrudge Selina her transformations?



Yes with the funny, but NO.

I used to keep mice, well rats (same diff), until one of them tore the other’s throat out. At which point I relaised I hated rats and they weren’t cute at all. And they’re certainly NOT funny. They have eyes and they’re furry, but they’re more like a bug than a mammal.

Regardless, what I really like about this mousey security system is the implication that he prepared his defenses with Selina in mind. Think about it – this is Dr Sivana we’re talking about, a criminal genius, so of course he’s going to factor the world’s greatest cat burglar, and what might deter her, into his equations.



This is a cheesecake scene, yes, and, yes, women take their pants off far too much in comics, but the scales are tipped towards balance here because BRUCEWAYNEHAIRYTCHESTEDLOVEGOD. That guy over there, the guy doing the weights with no clothes on, that guy is just as much there to be wanked over as the girl is. He’s all over the camera, ripe and ready to be leapt upon by anyone, male or female (this deffo shades into gay porn), and being so massively queers the dominant unsexed nerdboy gaze prevalent to modern comics. I can just imagine my thought process when I was fourteen… ‘Catwoman’s hot, but, jeeze why’d the guy have to take off all his clothes…’ And this is a good thing, there needs to be this dissonance, because other ways of viewing the world, other sexualities, have to be included, not just mine. Here Bruce is just as sexy, just as naked as Selina, and it’s Spike in Buffy all over again. This is a superheroic depiction of real, not imagined sex, where both people have to get their clothes off and both people have to desire and be desired .

Anyway, another thing this scene does is feed into the theme of HEALTH that runs throughout these two books. And not simply because inclusivity is a healthier mindset than exclusivity, but also because, come on! there’s no bullshit going on here with Bruce and Selina. There’s none of the usual bat-fascination with fucked up femme fatales a la Bruce’s ‘relationship’ with Jezebel Jet. Here there’s just good, honest screwing between two equals who care for and respect one another – the power fucking with buddies I talked about in my last batmanotations is in full effect in the first issue of Inc, making good on Grant’s eternal promise of a Bruce Wayne who’d view an active, if slightly detached, sex life as a central part of his bat-lifestyle.

It remains to be seen if any attachments do form, however, and I’m betting if they do we won’t be looking at the same disaster we saw last time.


Health, as I mentioned above, is a key ingredient here. How does it manifest? Well, to begin with there’s the weightless, breakneck pacing of these two books, utterly unecumbered by the baggage of the last five years worth of bat-comics, then there’s the sex, then there’s the playfulness and humour, then there’s the inventiveness and energy – Internet 3.0, jet-suits, everything – and new locations galore, suggestive of a completely new, expansive bat-paradigm. If these comics were a person, they’d be at their peak. Batman Inc is Batman Ink, limited only to what can be drawn on a page.



I love getting a new bat-villain. It brings out the anally retentive fanboy in me. I want action figures of all the characters revamped, recreated and created during Grant’s run. And Lord Death Man is no exception. The ‘They’re [Unknown's hands] are in Hell, awaiting the rest of you!‘ line is gleefully, evilly funny and disturbing in equal measure… and his costume? Skeletons are just bloody creepy, aren’t they? They’re an underused monster outside of roleplaying games and that means they still have charge, which is great. But for what I really like about Lord Death Man, the thing that really creeps me out, you have to turn to the last couple of pages of Batman Inc. To begin with there’s the way Morrison (or is it Paquette? Nah, I bet this was in the script) has him move like an evil noh theatre dancer (see page 21, panel 2), transforming him from supervillain to pure oni mono. And that’s the thing, the graceful, overly precise quality of the movements in japanese theatre always lends its actors an eerily ethereal quality and leaves me with the feeling that underneath those masks there’s something genuinely supernatural going on, so in Death Man’s case I can’t help wondering if there really is (there is). This is aided and abetted, of course, by Paquette’s mazzuchelli-esque line work, its solidity set against and highlighting the latent otherworldliness. And, let’s face it, Lord Death Man’s ‘death’ and promised ressurection would be a hell of a lot less skin crawling if it didn’t all feel so real, if he had the kind of cartoony body that could easily sustain a bullet sized hole and a however many feet plummet to the pavement.


Aaah, again with another wicked Morrisonian conceit no-one else has made much of, the mined floor. I mean, seriously? The transformation of this completely, mundanely, safe space, the carpet, into a battlefield is genius as far as I’m concerned, and dementedly original and scary. Again, its the juxtaposition of the apparently everyday reality of this scene with what’s really going on that makes it work so well. As far as I’m concerned this is horror comics, and not funny at all.

And it gets worse.



See, some reviewers thought this was funny, and while I know there’s a smirk written all over this cliffhanger, I wasn’t feeling it at all. Long time mindless readers may know that I have an absolute horror of all things mollusc, so the idea that the world beneath my carpet might be crawling with mines and giant octopi is utterly horrendous. Not only that but it’s just an incredible, wonderful, stupid conceit, an entire flat flooded and turned into a tank for a sea monster! Pure Morrison. The weightless room is set off really nicely by the detailed scene beyond its windows, the bird being a particularly nice touch, really contributing the strange, detourned atmosphere. As is so often the case with Morrison’s material, I honestly believe whether or not you experience this stuff as pure horror comics depends entirely on the amount of imagination applied. Given more than a moment’s thought, this page isn’t so much ‘Fnurrr’ as ‘Aaaargh! Yuck!’.



how Batman’s prancing about during the day in this comic?



Another thing I’m surprised no-one’s really commented upon except to say ‘Wooah! Cool!’ or ‘Derivative!’ (FUCK. OFF.) is the omniscient narrator trope Grant employs both at the beginning of Return and the end of Inc. I thought about saying a whole bunch of stuff about this device, but the most exciting thing about it is that it’s being used at all.  I must be right in assuming that the new generation of readers, the people between 12 and 25, have hardly read anything incorporating it, and if they have, in old Claremont books or Secret Wars or whatever, they probably found it more than a little bit clunky or old fashioned.

But that’s hardly the case here.

Because both Return and Inc are so modern in their concerns and execution and because this trope is only employed at highly specific, dramatically appropriate/significant moments, here the omniscient narrator comes off as nothing other than total skill, absolutely fresh and exciting. Morrison talked a lot in his promo interviews about the musicality of this kind of narration, and I kind of understood what he meant when I read them, I thought I got it, but frankly it wasn’t till the end of Inc that I knew I had. The Batman TV series voice he employs, the way it serves as narrative percussion between each life-flashing-before-your eyes story beat of the comic’s penultimate page and the way it addresses the reader directly, white text on black field, the inverse of a wordballoon, really causes us to HEAR the text. It’s a massively neat trick, a little bit breathtaking, and enormously effective.

Wooah. Cool.

Made me giggle with pleasure.


I’ve read (and heard) some fairly lamentable criticisms of this book, ranging from the utterly ridiculous ‘Batman can’t steal the project x [read: potential SUPERWEAPON] from Sivana, because it’s against the law!‘, to the tired old complaints about originality. That’s one argument I wish I could put to rest right now – I am so completely sick of the comics community piffling on about this stuff. To begin with it’s the complete lack of understanding that by riffing on pre-existing tropes and conventions, for instance the tv series’ cliffhanger voice-over mentioned above, Grant absolutely isn’t slavishly copying, but rather synthesising, sampling and reappropriating. We know this because the element in question has been recontextualised and doesn’t feel the same! It doesn’t matter if some of the plot beats are shared between Batman’s story and Captain America’s, because in its detail, its structure, tone, atmosphere, themes, etc., Batman’s story is completely different. Just because a hip hop record lifts a break from another track, it doesn’t make it that track.

At my lowest ebb, when I’m feeling particularly uncharitable, I start to wonder about the weird mindset that collects and can’t see beyond these surface level self-similarities. It’s peculiar to the comics community, let’s put it like that.

And obvs I couldn’t give a monkeys about whether dark avenger bats goes MIA for a couple of years, and Inc works for me…etc.

No, the only thing that I’d really like to see, and I’m worried I won’t, is Morrison writing a self contained story with little to no spillage into stuff like Multiversity. Do it Grant! Keep Inc as fresh, weightless and selfcontained as it wants to be! FO REAL.

In closing, if there’s one other thing I can stone cold guarantee, it’s that if you gave a Batman virgin Return or Inc they could not only follow what was going on, but they’d really like it. So much of the bat-readership’s taste is weighted down by specific sets of expectations and I honestly believe it’s getting in the way of…umm… PLEASURE. I say getting in the way because on their own terms these new comics are immensely fun. I know some of you probably have doubts in your mind – the savage critics boys said they weren’t entirely convinced, etc. – but imagine being fifteen and picking up these books, long, long before a monolithic Bat-idea calcified in your mind, and how much you’d've dug them. It’s really only the post DKR poodle who would’ve had a problem with this direction, and I’m sure that’s true of much of our readership also. The Batman Inc thing is a welcome zap in the arse for all things Caped Crusader, one that I think was sorely needed, and so easy to accomodate when it’s as enjoyable as this.

(So enjoyable, in fact, that I’ve actually bothered to pick up Tec and Batman, and, now this is embarrassing, I kind of enjoyed Batman. Daniel doesn’t write a bad Grayson. So far.

Shhh! Don’t tell the cool kids!)

67 Responses to “Batman the Return + Batman Inc = Alpha Adapter”

  1. Marc Says:

    Yes. This.

    The other thing I loved about Batman, Inc–the slight sheen that Paquette (or Michel Lacombe? or Nathan Fairbairn?) puts on Selina in certain scenes, making her pop out like an Adam Hughes cover illo. Maybe I’m imagining this–sexy women striking poses are not exactly outside Paquette’s normal range–but in the title pages and the break-in scene she gets a slightly heavier outline and a softer, more painterly coloring than anyone else, giving me that Hughes vibe. It goes away with the relaxed, disrobed Selina at rest in the sex scene, then maybe it comes back on the final page. This is another role Selina adopts and discards at will, the pin-up queen, and it comes with the costume: Selina is more primed for voyeuristic viewing on the job than she is half-naked in the hotel (a performance, if it’s a performance at all, aimed at only one man).

    Also interesting how a few years ago J.H. Williams III was the only guy doing this type of pastiche, and introducing it into Morrison’s scripts himself, but now it’s become a regular part of Morrison’s work. Lee Garbett made an honorable stab at it in ROBW 6, even if he wasn’t quite up to the task, but Pere Perez deserves some kind of award for so ably adapting his style to Ryan Sook and Garbett in back to back issues–plus Paquette, Sprouse, maybe even a touch of Mignola in the bat. I could see myself getting sick of this if it’s done repeatedly or badly, but for the end (?) of Morrison’s crazy pastiche phase on Batman it seemed fitting.

    Of course, the pastiche isn’t over–we’ve got Adam Hughes and Jiro Kuwata and hentai tentacle porn all in the same issue of Batman Inc–but maybe it’s getting more restrained? Definitely more interested in the Batman book that’s looking forward, not back.

  2. Zom Says:

    So much truth, Marc and Poodle.

  3. The Beast Must Die Says:

    Yes Marc Poodle. Is strongth.

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  5. Shiny Jim Says:

    It always starts out like this – we think we’re on an escape trajectory, that we’ve used the gravitational pull to slingshot around, that from now on it’ll be continuity-free ninja-manbat giant robot mice Adam West on LSD stories for ever and ever. And like any black hole, the filfth-world Uber-narrative catches us again in our elliptical orbit, and soon what once a light-hearted continuity free romp turns into fractal hell, its metaphor crushing in on itself as we kiss the event horizon.

    There can be no escape.

  6. RetroWarbird Says:

    It feels like Bruce’s black hole soul-singularity has been inverted. The bat was sabotaged, the bat flowed inwards, into the hole in things. Now the bat (or the black hole heart of Gotham/Bludhaven) is repaired, and shifts into a logarithmic spiral outwards, across the globe. The ideas are coming fast and loose.

    Healthy-bats is unapologetic. Healthy-bats, evidenced by the Bastard’s prologue, is a Neo-Millerite’s worst fucking nightmare.

    VAMPIRE MAN! God … I’d hate to call it straining to compare Traktir’s off-hand reference to Mandrakk, Ultraman and the cosmic vampiric force syphoning all the health from the DCU (and tying into Darkseid, which ultimately died into Bruce being haunted by grim&gritty for a few years).

    But it occurs to me that there are two kinds of vampires. Parasites that syphon from healthy hosts (Doctor Hurt …). But what about the aspects of vampirism that involve massive power growth – spreading like a virus – recruiting new vampires. Symbiotic relationships, rather than parasitic.

    What the hell would Traktir know, anyway? He’s a walking, talking kitchen appliance. Either that or the Russian equivalent to not-yet-existent British master criminal “Earl Grey”, as Traktir is a type of tea.

  7. his awful indulgences Says:

    It is said that Helen Keller upon being presented with the word “god” replied that she had always known Him but never knew His name.

    Batman Inc. = god.

  8. Jog Says:

    Just to steer the conversation back to tentacle sex, the final Inc. splash, whether funny or not, appears to be a pretty specific joke: it alludes to Hokusai’s woodcut print The Dream of the Fisherman’s Wife, often identified as the prime historical ancestor of the tentacle manga that so creeped Selina out.

    I kind of groaned at this stuff myself, in that tentacle porn is an awfully shopworn reference, very ’90s, VERY ‘omg crazy japan’ in a rise-of-anime newscast alarmist sense… I realize Morrison is probably looking for a reference most of his readership will immediately grasp, but in a way that sort of plays into… I guess a certain laziness in dealing with Japanese culture, given that “comics” as a thing these days is so thick with the stuff. I mean, obviously there’s a lot of ways to poke at gender roles in Japanese comics/pornography/geek culture, oh my god, yes, but tentacles… like, the stuff still exists, to an extent, but it comes off more as stroking received wisdom than addressing a terribly current subcultural thing, you know?

    On the other hand, the internet tells me that Joe Casey recently brought the American Death Man into DCU continuity, so now we’ve got him and his Japanese counterpart LORD Death Man running around at the same time… that makes me happy…

  9. It Burns Says:

    Also, Selina’s “What’s the appeal, I ask myself” together with the “Oh Brother” look she has in the octo’s clutches suggests that, in her mind, the octopus took the comment seriously and is insulted. Which is fucking hilarious.

    Fuck YOU vain mollusk muh fuckuh!

  10. Marc Says:

    I thought the final splash worked as a nice reversal on the earlier, corny hentai gag–after flirting with that dated criticism, the comic dives right in and embraces its subject. Still a lazy reference, but the moral censure drops away. As well it might, since the Japanese setting and the obvious manga references seem calibrated to cozy up to their sources, in hopes that a little of that crossover appeal might rub off.

  11. RetroWarbird Says:

    Joe Casey was responsible for the appearance a while back of the American Death Man? Combined with being the man tasked to follow up Grant’s Super Young Team in Final Crisis Aftermath: Dance?

    Coincidence or providence? How coincidental is a coincidence when the two writers works are linked, and they’re reading from the same source material?

  12. Arkady_Hodge Says:

    I found Catwoman was almost absurdly sexualised in this issue. The form and structure of the book could easily belong to a comic of a more traditionally cheescake leaning but it is its presence within within the context of the prior run and GM’s ouevre as a whole

    that strikes me as deliberately anachronistic.
    This is accentuiated by the presence of the otaku comic shop setting with its statuettes etc. and the pin up style of the art as mentioned above.

    I felt the Octopus at the end served to highlight that this cheescake critique is a complicit subversion, preventing tghe reader from adopting a comfortable higher ground.

  13. Shiny Jim Says:

    The octopus is also, just like the Bat in The Return, a non-supernatural version of the hyper-adapter.

  14. Rick Says:

    I think he missed 2 lines that would have been perfect on the last page. A riff on “SAME BAT TIME! SAME BAT CHANNEL!”

  15. Papers Says:

    Re: the Heretic. Okay, I see your Damian clone and raise you what he reminded *me* of: the third Batman from 666.

  16. Zom Says:

    Yup. Good one

  17. amypoodle Says:

    yeah, but that’s because you’re not following batman comics. the third ghost is now azrael.

  18. amypoodle Says:

    but, uh, yeah, i suppose he could be michael lane.

    although, no, because i think i’m right in assuming that he and ‘fatherless’ are the same guy.

  19. prooker Says:

    But isn’t Damian’s clone 10 years his younger? While the fatherless clue certainly ties into his identity, I don’t think Talia ever mentioned that it had some kind of accelerated aging enhancement. It would be like what, less than a year old?

    My guess? Since the spooky and shadowed Leviathan leader mentioned “The Master Detective” could that be Ra’s under a new guise? And Jason Todd as the (Bat) Heretic?

    Seems a little too obvious, but I’m sure with the international theme Grant will find some way to fit Ra’s in, and I’m sure he isn’t done yet with Jason Todd in his Bat run.

  20. RetroWarbird Says:

    I was looking for clues to the Heretic in his own etymology, as you often do for written characters. The apt but altogether mundane “A heretic is someone who committed heresy” wasn’t doing it for me.

    But the notion of controversial or novel changes to a system of beliefs – particularly dogmatic ones – did strike me as nothing new for Moz readers. The Cult of the Neo-Millerites don’t even want to read this good stuff, because it’s Blasphemous. “THAT’S NOT OUR BATMAN” = “He’s not OUR Messiah”.

    That being said … the etymology of Heretic via “Heresy” is from Greek – “hairetikos” … “able to choose”. Not dissimilar to Damian in that regard …

    So one quickly realizes that subtext and metatext aside … this guy didn’t get the name “Heretic” for being anti-Batman (despite his bat-ears). Rather, it’s more likely he’s a heretic from the Religion of Crime or something already preexisting and dogmatic. Complimentary to that, Greg Rucka has already given us a schism in the Crime Cult between Orthodox and “True Believer” heretics in the form of Kyle Abbot, the Batwoman’s wolf-friday.

  21. prooker Says:

    @Rick If Morrison had done that I probably would’ve pissed myself.

  22. prooker Says:

    But isn’t Damian’s clone 10 years his younger? While the fatherless clue certainly ties into his identity, I don’t think Talia ever mentioned that it had some kind of accelerated aging enhancement. It would be like what, less than a year old?

    My guess? Since the spooky and shadowed Leviathan leader mentioned “The Master Detective” could that be Ra’s under a new guise? And Jason Todd as the (Bat) Heretic?

    Seems a little too obvious, but I’m sure with the international theme Grant will find some way to fit Ra’s in, and I’m sure he isn’t done yet with Jason Todd in his Bat run.

  23. Zig Zag Zig Says:

    Because at this point in the story we have very little to go on, I’d look to Morrison’s comments on CBR for guidance. It says that he doesn’t want to use old characters or concepts, outside of some villains he cooked up for R.I.P. So perhaps the Religion of Crime (although it makes good sense) isn’t going to play a role.

    Unfortunately, this also removes Ras Al Ghul from the list of possible cast-members. Which is a shame, as the titles ‘Fatherless’ and ‘Heretic’, as well as the Leviathan Master’s talk of old hatred made me think of the Ras/Sensei relationship, not to mention the words “Master Detective”.

    Remember when Jezebel Jet’s name was such an obvious hint yet most people (myself included) disregarded her as a member of the Black Glove in response to Morrison’s red herrings? Despite Morrison’s comments, I’m wondering if he’s going to do that again.

    I guess we’ll see!

  24. Shiny Jim Says:

    Mozzer’s a lying liar pants on fire, so I’d hardly take any of his comments as gospel. I very much think we’ll be seeing something from the Demon’s Head (whether Ra’s or Talia) even if they aren’t Leviathan itself.

  25. RetroWarbird Says:

    I prefer to see a proper villainous organization. The League of Assassins gets used as a S.P.E.C.T.R.E. or whatever far too often … but I really do prefer the autonomy provided by their being an “assassins guild”. It’s not a problem that Ra’s al Ghul, one of their individual members, and indeed the chief, has his own agenda that he uses them for.

    But the League isn’t a proper villain so much as a nefarious agency of professionals that the proper villains should be hiring to do some dirty work … coming up against Brucie, Kung Fu fighting, then parting ways with some twisted sense of mutual respect, both part of and not part of Batman’s “network” of resources, depending on the way the wind is blowing.

    Then again, Talia is a chronic “Secret Society of Super-Villains” fixture. (Over the run, Bruce has faced a multitude of those bastards. Look at the headmen Libra had gathered in Final Crisis # 2 – Vandal Savage … Talia … Deathstroke … Sivana … they’ve all surfaced throughout Grant’s story. Expect Luthor anytime, although reasonably, Luthor and Ocean Master were both already covered way-back-when during Rock of Ages.)

    Talia has bigger aspirations than her father.

  26. Zig Zag Zig Says:

    You think we’re going to get Morrison’s version of Batman vs. Government? That is a Millerite theme that Morrison hasn’t yet touched.

    Some generic US special forces goons were after Sivana’s superweapon after all and issue four looks like it’ll have something to do with the American military.

    I suggest this in light of the opening Old Bastard Bat scene. Assuming that Batman: The Return is the beginning of a relatively self-contained story arc, is it unreasonable to think that the story of Old Bastard Bat somehow reflects the story we are about to read over the next two years? Can we expect Bruce to be brought to his knees by something younger and faster and meaner?

    As usual, thinking out loud.

  27. RetroWarbird Says:

    Ah, Zig … that’s on the money. It takes all of about two seconds thought going from there to bounce back to Kate Kane and Dick Grayson’s successful team-up with the Knight and Squire.

    “New age of crime, meet new age of crimefighter …”

    And that’s before even factoring in things like our next-gen Knight and Squire talking about updating to some of the newfangled hi-tech gadgetry Batwoman had … or the literal “younger, meaner bats” like Damian or Jason Todd who are running around escalating things, especially Jason’s attempts at being a better brand of bat.

    Which younger, hungrier type is going to be the one to clip the old bastard’s wings?

  28. amypoodle Says:

    yeah, zig zag, that would be cool. i’m feeling the govt. thing.

  29. Jon Says:

    “No, the only thing that I’d really like to see, and I’m worried I won’t, is Morrison writing a self contained story with little to no spillage into stuff like Multiversity. Do it Grant! Keep Inc as fresh, weightless and selfcontained as it wants to be! FO REAL.”

    I think he might do it. This felt a LOT like AllStar Superman, the way AllStar B&RTBW should have felt.
    Each issue has an arc and a cliffhanger. New characters, new locations. I’d put money down that INC will be as wonderful a self-contained gem as AllStar Supes.

  30. Jon Says:

    I do have to say, tho, I still thought Bruce in Return was douche-y. That mix of Finch with the fun did not work for me. Also, I’m a Nolan quasi-fan: no heart in that man’s work, sorry. I hate the Tumbler. Flame me.

  31. amypoodle Says:

    NO, NO, NO! I definitely don’t want to flame someone who didn’t like dark knight, jon. i liked it, but i can see how people might not. all i was saying above was dark knight provides us with a way into return and inc that makes for an easy ride. i’m sure it’ll all play out very differently in the long term, though. this is just the latest in grant’s ‘everything is canon’ updates.

    all the kali stuff wrt the symbol at the end of return did have me thinking of the sensei tbh. forgot to include my thoughts in the post for some reason.

    anyway, i love all this speculatin’.

  32. RetroWarbird Says:

    I felt like a lot of the Dark Knight film reference(well, except for Lucius Fox channeling Morgan Freeman’s delivery) was coming from the elements Finch brought. Which is not to say Grant won’t use that material – he most certainly has, will, and has written on his love for the film.

    But the beefy, Tumblery Batmobile we saw here … the sheet steel scaffolds and wrought-iron lattice floors … and even the new slightly more armored costume … while commissioned by Grant are probably Finch-in-origin.

    (That said, I’ll take wrought-iron industrial style Bat-Toys a million times before I ever take any Jim Lee designed Alien-Organic-Metal-Space-Bat-Toys … I’ll just grimace a little and wish a J.H. Williams or Frank Quitely had designed everything …)

  33. Zom Says:

    Tumbler and co look like moves towards brand consolidation to me. Suspect that a lowly artist turned writer like Finch has zero to do with decisions like that. Mind you, superhero comics are, literally, a weird business, but one suspects that things are getting progressively less weird post the changes at DC.

  34. Zom Says:

    Fuckin’ love that gleaming machine porn lust muscle epicry that is a bit o’ Lee

  35. Botswana Beast Says:

    I do too, but he is a horrible, horrible designer – his costume updates for Huntress, Kyle Rayner and Wonder Woman are universally shithouse.

  36. Zom Says:

    They’re awesome. Everything he does is awesome*.

    *For as long as you can tolerate it

  37. Botswana Beast Says:

    He’s no Rob Liefeld.

  38. DAVID BOWIE Says:

    Who is though?

    Who is?

  39. Zom Says:

    No one is that awesome

  40. Zom Says:

    The babe?

  41. Botswana Beast Says:

    Marc Silvestri is.

  42. Zom Says:

    I do not consider Silvestri to be the most awesome

  43. Botswana Beast Says:

    on reflection, i feel i must – good day sir

  44. RetroWarbird Says:

    Middle Miller Age artists. Gun-arm-vein&bulge-floating, gravity defying figures. Impossibly anti-architectonic lack of structure, form or perspective on scenery & backgrounds.

    RADICAL Millerite sect.

  45. amypoodle Says:


  46. Shiny Jim Says:

    Speaking of Miller, I wonder if he’s jealous that Grant got to do Batman vs. Al-Qaeda and he didn’t.

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  48. blindmarvin Says:

    I don’t think anyone’s pointed out the significance of the final scene with the line “so how to punish a PROUD FATHER like you?”, leading into a brainwashed young boy about Damian’s age murdering his own father.

    It just sounds so much like Talia to me. Her “very own magnum opus” she mentioned way back in Batman & Son finally put into motion.

    Also I think whoever said that this Heretic and the evil Batman of issue 666 was absolutely right. Maybe Batman is trying to prevent a slightly altered version of 666 from happening aftered he saw a glimpse of it at Vanishing point?

    I’m completely wrong again aren’t I?

  49. Zom Says:

    I like that first observation. That strikes me as very good.

  50. amypoodle Says:

    no, it’s bloody wrong – as i’ve already said – the third ghost is michael lane is azrael.

    sorry for the snark, but i’m tired, i don’t want to repeat myself and i’m not sorry.

  51. Zom Says:

    I repeat, I like that *first observation*. Feel free to apologise, Poodle.

  52. amypoodle Says:


  53. amypoodle Says:

    i am sorry really.

    and genuinely sorry for the snark now.

    old hangover from barbelith that, getting fed up when people don’t read threads.

  54. Zom Says:

    I think it’s okay to get fed up when people don’t read threads, but I also think it’s nice to complement people when they have good ideas.

  55. amypoodle Says:

    and, yeah, the first thing is probably really on the money. proper foreshadowing that scene.

  56. Dan Says:

    On the manga side of things, since I haven’t seen it mentioned – the narrator with questions thing is a straight pull from a lot of manga – see, for instance:

    Only it’s sideways because of structural differences. But yeah. It’s that, as well as the TV narrator-voice.

  57. Edison Marbury Says:

    Morrison’s talked about how playing video games influenced this – the clearest examples I can see being Lord Death Man’s GTA-style sandbox rampage and the robot scene. You’re missing a layer there: Lucius has converted the controls into console controllers, which Batman works effortlessly while talking shop.

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